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	<title>Comments on: Battle for the Nation: John Yau Questions Jerry Saltz&#8217;s America</title>
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		<title>By: artlab</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator>artlab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto</description>
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		<title>By: The Puppy Wars &#124; Art21 Blog</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>The Puppy Wars &#124; Art21 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so that I’m noticeably late to comment on the Saltz-Yau tiff. Art21 contributor Hrag Vartanian “broke” the story; Tyler Green of Modern Art Notes spoke up for Yau; artist William Powhida invited the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so that I’m noticeably late to comment on the Saltz-Yau tiff. Art21 contributor Hrag Vartanian “broke” the story; Tyler Green of Modern Art Notes spoke up for Yau; artist William Powhida invited the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CAP</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>CAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry just can’t stand to be criticized. That’s fatal for a critic. You want to dish it up - you’ve got to expect to be on the receiving end at some point.  Not that Yau was being especially savage. Brooklyn Rail is never savage.

Jerry’s response to Yau completely misses the point. Yau criticizes  Koons’ reputation as a whole, and not a single work, like Puppy. As Yau notes - after copious citation of previous published assessments – he felt he didn’t have to see Puppy (by the time we get to the 21st century). What’s to see? Landscape gardening goes high tech?  The main thrust is that Koons does not deserve Jerry’s exalted praise, that he’s endorsing something like an academic or corporate pompier.  

The second point is that, like O’Hara – and Greenberg for that matter – the justification for Jerry’s praise is that Koons reflects American virtues, in a certain era. In as much as Koons reflects Amerika, it’s far-fetched to see key features to his work and method as virtues. Greed, laziness, inflation, infantile narcissism, conspicuous delegation and extravagant commission – are these really what America stands for now?  A nation of managers with nothing left to manage? But Jerry, like his predecessors, flails around for a good old catch-all like America, simply because he is unable to otherwise sustain the praise. He doesn’t have the art history to place Koons in context there (and if he did, he would surely concede that Koons’ place is firmly in the 90s, not the naughties) he cannot bear to think of art as international or as anymore than nationalist gambits. So the final appeal is to Amerika. 

Jerry, ‘tis of thee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry just can’t stand to be criticized. That’s fatal for a critic. You want to dish it up &#8211; you’ve got to expect to be on the receiving end at some point.  Not that Yau was being especially savage. Brooklyn Rail is never savage.</p>
<p>Jerry’s response to Yau completely misses the point. Yau criticizes  Koons’ reputation as a whole, and not a single work, like Puppy. As Yau notes &#8211; after copious citation of previous published assessments – he felt he didn’t have to see Puppy (by the time we get to the 21st century). What’s to see? Landscape gardening goes high tech?  The main thrust is that Koons does not deserve Jerry’s exalted praise, that he’s endorsing something like an academic or corporate pompier.  </p>
<p>The second point is that, like O’Hara – and Greenberg for that matter – the justification for Jerry’s praise is that Koons reflects American virtues, in a certain era. In as much as Koons reflects Amerika, it’s far-fetched to see key features to his work and method as virtues. Greed, laziness, inflation, infantile narcissism, conspicuous delegation and extravagant commission – are these really what America stands for now?  A nation of managers with nothing left to manage? But Jerry, like his predecessors, flails around for a good old catch-all like America, simply because he is unable to otherwise sustain the praise. He doesn’t have the art history to place Koons in context there (and if he did, he would surely concede that Koons’ place is firmly in the 90s, not the naughties) he cannot bear to think of art as international or as anymore than nationalist gambits. So the final appeal is to Amerika. </p>
<p>Jerry, ‘tis of thee.</p>
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		<title>By: david - Long Island City</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-527</link>
		<dc:creator>david - Long Island City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its simply this : Mr Yau called him on it. 
Like Jon Steward did with a recent Kieth Olbermann.

its ridiculous to put Koons, in the same food group as &quot; emblematic&quot; and  &quot;our american&quot;.
We know the problem is not with Koons, (He,s the donald trump New york  art , a designer  designing products). its jerry , what happened !
if the text is wrapped with shinny irony , its still dick-sucking.
I like Jerry . We all thought we,d know better. But he,s human and this
illustrates the distance between &quot;the ground&quot; and &quot;the club&quot;

American likes best, the  authentic.  

David
Artist 
Long Island City</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its simply this : Mr Yau called him on it.<br />
Like Jon Steward did with a recent Kieth Olbermann.</p>
<p>its ridiculous to put Koons, in the same food group as &#8221; emblematic&#8221; and  &#8220;our american&#8221;.<br />
We know the problem is not with Koons, (He,s the donald trump New york  art , a designer  designing products). its jerry , what happened !<br />
if the text is wrapped with shinny irony , its still dick-sucking.<br />
I like Jerry . We all thought we,d know better. But he,s human and this<br />
illustrates the distance between &#8220;the ground&#8221; and &#8220;the club&#8221;</p>
<p>American likes best, the  authentic.  </p>
<p>David<br />
Artist<br />
Long Island City</p>
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		<title>By: The Digest. 02.08.10. Super Ranty Edition. &#171; C-MONSTER.net</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>The Digest. 02.08.10. Super Ranty Edition. &#171; C-MONSTER.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a related story: the atomic drops are flying in ¡The John Yau versus Jerry Saltz Art Critic Smackdown! Let&#8217;s get ready to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="761572845">Zachary Adam Cohen</fb:name></title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see Yau flush out just what his vision of America is. Is it really that dark and pessimistic? Jerry&#039;s article comes off as purposefully hyperbolic, ironic even. But Yau doesn&#039;t give us much of his own vision except as it exists in opposition to Jerry&#039;s. Maybe he doesn&#039;t need to? 

Not knowing Mr. Yau, I&#039;d like to see what his America looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see Yau flush out just what his vision of America is. Is it really that dark and pessimistic? Jerry&#8217;s article comes off as purposefully hyperbolic, ironic even. But Yau doesn&#8217;t give us much of his own vision except as it exists in opposition to Jerry&#8217;s. Maybe he doesn&#8217;t need to? </p>
<p>Not knowing Mr. Yau, I&#8217;d like to see what his America looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry and Harrietta Falloff</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry and Harrietta Falloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We thinkith that Mr. Woau and Saltz are drafting off our stinky stream-o-consciousness ranting adjective riddled art speak fumes that goes on forever because we refuse to use punctuation that the nuns taught us about because we never liked them so we didn&#039;t listen and we hate copy editors because they crap our style. 

We admit that wee got the idea from the dying writer of the player piano novella not these Mr. Boring Bozos and we like poetry too. We often also ask &quot;Is this still L&#039;America?&quot; And we use the &quot;shill&quot; word a LOT. But of course these 2 Misters can own whatever they want because they make the big bucks, har!!!!!!!!! 

We like the big pussy with flowers on lawn by Mr. Coons, we think it&#039;s the best thang ever did and will go down in the historical books like dat!!!!!!!!!!! Lovvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeee ya!!!!! H+H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We thinkith that Mr. Woau and Saltz are drafting off our stinky stream-o-consciousness ranting adjective riddled art speak fumes that goes on forever because we refuse to use punctuation that the nuns taught us about because we never liked them so we didn&#8217;t listen and we hate copy editors because they crap our style. </p>
<p>We admit that wee got the idea from the dying writer of the player piano novella not these Mr. Boring Bozos and we like poetry too. We often also ask &#8220;Is this still L&#8217;America?&#8221; And we use the &#8220;shill&#8221; word a LOT. But of course these 2 Misters can own whatever they want because they make the big bucks, har!!!!!!!!! </p>
<p>We like the big pussy with flowers on lawn by Mr. Coons, we think it&#8217;s the best thang ever did and will go down in the historical books like dat!!!!!!!!!!! Lovvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeee ya!!!!! H+H</p>
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		<title>By: Hrag Vartanian</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Hrag Vartanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich people need Chia pets too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich people need Chia pets too!</p>
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		<title>By: Heart As Arena</title>
		<link>http://hyperallergic.com/2939/john-yau-jerry-saltz-america/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Heart As Arena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s, like, the most badass Chia pet EVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s, like, the most badass Chia pet EVER.</p>
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