• http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Adam-Cohen/761572845 Zachary Adam Cohen

    Bravo on the calling attention to this issue here. I am happy to see a little activism on the part of bloggers. It’s all very democratic. One critique though and that is in both pieces cited here there was never any mention of what Arizonan’s wanted, only a snarky
    “I can’t believe this is happening in 2010, but then again, it is Arizona.” What exactly does that mean? Are you really writing off a whole state because they do not conform to your beliefs?

    But anyway, back to my point that this story is part of a larger issue which is the immigration debate surrounding the recent legislation. You won’t hear it reported in the New York Times anytime soon, but lo and behold, the legislation actually represents what the vast majority of Arizonan’s want, which is the government to do something about a totally open border that threatens their state in myriad ways, from crime, to health care costs, to schools.

    The Pew Center’s polls found the following:

    “Fully 73% say they approve of requiring people to produce documents verifying their legal status if police ask for them. Two-thirds (67%) approve of allowing police to detain anyone who cannot verify their legal status, while 62% approve of allowing police to question people they think may be in the country illegally.”

    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1591/public-support-arizona-immigration-law-poll

    Again, I applaud Hyperallergic taking a stand, but I simply would have liked to have seen an explication of the other side of the story. There are two sides to everything. Even in Arizona.

    • http://hragv.com Hrag Vartanian

      I think it’s a horrible injustice to people of all types, and the Arizona law is a form of racial profiling. I do not support it and I think if most Americans knew how absolutely awful the immigration system in this country is they would be appalled.

      The only reason Americans support things like this is because they don’t think it will ever impact their lives, the issues become abstract to them.

      I am assuming you support this law?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Adam-Cohen/761572845 Zachary Adam Cohen

        I support Arizona’s rights to decide for themselves what laws they live under. And considering they support it overwhelmingly I think lecturing them is anti-democratic. I actually do disapprove of the law, but believe that given what they have to live through, they should be able to decide for themselves.

        Also given the complete failure of the Federal Government to act, it is not surprising that Arizona has taken matters into their own hands.

        • http://hragv.com Hrag Vartanian

          Most of this is like the issue of gay marriage in the 2004 election, not a real threat. What are they afraid of? Undocumented people taking their jobs? Really? Undocumented people normally do jobs others don’t want to do. I believe this is about scapegoating and fear, but I respect your opinion Zach. Though I don’t think it is undemocratic to disagree with Arizona and what I consider it’s awful law. There is such a thing as tyranny of the majority.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zachary-Adam-Cohen/761572845 Zachary Adam Cohen

            Oh i agree with you on the tyranny of the majority. I dont think just because a majority rules that a minority shouldnt have protections.

            I think the real failure is a lack of articulation. I don’t think Arizonans are afraid of brown people any more than they were afraid of arabs after 9/11. A few instances of harassment but the truth is that the US is a haven for all minorities.

            The issue is that people want the law to be upheld. There are ways to become citizens. It is not easy. It is designed that way. What do you say to the thousands of people who’ve followed the letter of the law when seeking citizenship, who waited, and waded through the bureacracy and finally got their papers. What do you (and I don’t mean you personally, obv) say to them?

            Again, politics in this country is broken because of a breakdown in language. The real issue, as I see it, is that people, and their elected politicians can’t explain what they feel, and that is that there is something truly serious about a country like ours not being able to protect our border. Our borders should be secure, not so we can keep people out who want to come, no we WANT THEM. But so we can feel whole as a nation and know that our government is doing the most basic of its very reasons for existence. All the other fear mongering and bickering and racial profiling yadda, comes from that.

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