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Tallying Art World Inequality, One Gallery at a Time

by Jillian Steinhauer on March 27, 2014

Micol Hebron's poster for CB1 Gallery (all images via gallerytally.tumblr.com)

Micol Hebron’s poster for CB1 Gallery (all images via gallerytally.tumblr.com)

I’ve been thinking a lot recently about counting. Counting women writers being published, counting black artists in the Whitney Biennial — I guess math is something you do when the numbers don’t seem to add up. Counting can feel lonely sometimes, like you against the world, so I’m always grateful when I encounter other people doing the same. Like artist Micol Hebron.

Last fall, Hebron began counting the numbers of male and female artists on the rosters of Los Angeles galleries (where she is based). She had previously initiated a monthly practice of counting the number of full-page exhibition ads that went to men and women in the pages of Artforum. Galleries were the next step. She put out a call, opened up the idea to the world, and the Gallery Tally sprang to life.

Evan Senn's poster for Mark Miller Gallery (click to enlarge)

Evan Senn’s poster for Mark Miller Gallery (click to enlarge)

In fewer than six months, more than 500 artists around the world have participated in the project, tallying the male/female breakdowns of gallery rosters. Once a counter has figured out the numbers and the ratio, they make a poster for the gallery, representing the data in any way they see fit. The posters — which range from fairly straightforward text or diagrams to floating penises to a single generic image of a horrified woman — are then reproduced on the Gallery Tally blog. And starting this weekend, 300 of them will go on view at For Your Art at 6020 Wilshire Boulevard in LA, in an exhibition titled (en)Gendered (in)Equity: The Gallery Tally Poster Project. In anticipation of the show, I emailed with Hebron to talk about counting, galleries, gender, and the many ways these issues intersect.

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Jillian Steinhauer: Tallies of events like the Whitney Biennial and big museum shows are something I think people have become used to seeing, but gallery tallies are a bit more of a surprise. I guess there’s a feeling that it’s more democratic, in some way, or that there’s less onus on galleries than there is on, say, the Whitney Museum, to be equal. How did you come to counting gallery numbers?

Micol Hebron: I agree that we think of museums as serving a larger general public, and that there is an implication that they are serving culture and history at large and not the market, in the ways that galleries are, and perhaps that accounts for the implicit expectation — or assumption — that there is a more equitable and diverse range of artists and artworks represented in museums (though I would argue that this is merely an assumption, and far from actuality). I also think that the gallery system has been so skewed for so long that the general audience for galleries has become complicit with, or ever supportive of, this model of operation. But if we ask why should galleries be exempt from an equal and proportionate representation of the larger demographic, it’s difficult to answer.

Mira Safura O’Brien’s poster for Mary Boone Gallery (Note: this is an updated version of the poster previously published.)

Mira Safura O’Brien’s poster for Mary Boone Gallery (Note: this is an updated version of the poster previously published.)

I began tallying gender stats in the art world after seeing Mary Beth Edelson’s “Some Living American Women Artists/The Last Supper” collage in the WACK! exhibition at MOCA in 2007. Looking at that collage inspired me to imagine how my life as an artist might have been different if I had seen women in the place of men whenever I had seen a work of art or a historical image. As I thought about this, I literally began to cry (perhaps the first time I have ever cried in front of an artwork). I spent eight years in higher education learning about art and art history, and looking at thousands and thousands of representations of artworks — the vast majority of which featured men as the subjects, authors, or both. As a woman artist, my sense of potential, of self-confidence, of opportunity, and of heritage within the worlds of art and culture would be vastly different had I seen as many women as I had seen men. It was at that point that I started wondering about the numbers in the art world today. It was obvious that there was gender bias, but I was curious to quantify exactly how biased it was.

So, I began tallying as a way to start to visualize and concretize the biases. I began counting the number of full-page Artforum ads for individual artists, counting the number of ads for women artists versus the number of ads for male artists. On average, the amount of ads for male artists was consistently 70% or higher. Artforum is considered the leading art magazine in North America. Single-page ads cost $10,000 or more. For a gallery to invest in such an ad gives a clear indication of their priorities and interests and of which artists they were trying to promote and support. Women are traditionally left out of history, especially art history. If we are to consider the means of creating history for artists today, it will be through things like printed ads, critical reviews, exhibition catalogues, and auction sales records.

Last year, I began tallying the artist rosters for galleries in LA. I wanted to know if my assumptions about male-heavy rosters were correct. I became fixated on counting. I would procrastinate on my studio work by trolling gallery websites and looking up artists, tallying the numbers of male and female artists. Unfortunately, the numbers were actually worse than I expected.

Kio Griffith's posted for Carolina Nitsch gallery (click to enlarge)

Kio Griffith’s poster for Carolina Nitsch gallery (click to enlarge)

JS: Why are these numbers important?

MH: I think these numbers are important for several reasons. For one, it makes a difference to see concrete, statistical data. People make assumptions that art-world bias exists, but no one that I encountered was aware of the actual figures. No one had run the numbers! (Yes, the Guerrilla Girls started examining gallery and museum practices in the ’80s, but their work for the last decade or so has focused on museums or art world administrators, not the galleries.) I think doing statistical research, providing objective data that actually quantifies how severe the imbalances are, is a powerful and irrefutable indicator of the conditions in the art world. (Now, trying to analyze and explain why the numbers are the way they are is a much more complicated issue.)

Secondly, I think that when you put the numbers out there, the problem has been identified and articulated, and people have to choose whether to address it or not. For gallerists, collectors, writers, or artists to ignore or dismiss such data once it is made public is as telling as acting upon it. I also think there are a lot of people who are simply not aware, or are unwilling to admit, that there is a problem (by problem, I mean radical imbalance). I hope that this project encourages people to be more conscious about equity in the art world, but also in the world in general. The consumers of culture are responsible for asking for and supporting the kind of cultural conditions that they want to see. I have already heard from several people who are doing their own counting now, which I consider to be a huge success. If people are thinking about and looking for the inequities, they will also be more likely to demand explanations and changes in relation to these inequities.

There are many facets to the art world, and the gallery system is just one of them, but it is a wide-reaching and profoundly influential facet that has undeniable repercussions upon an artist’s career and visibility. Personally, I would like to see our cultural systems reflecting the demographic of the general public. Women comprise 51% of the citizens of the United States and 30% of the artists represented by contemporary commercial galleries. The numbers are important because a large portion of the community is being excluded. And gender inequity is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. If you look at numbers of people of color, disabled artists, LGBTQ artists, older artists, the biases are even worse.

Austin Young's poster for Andrea Rosen Gallery

Austin Young’s poster for Andrea Rosen Gallery

I think it’s also important to note that on average, the constituents of MFA programs are between 65% and 75% women. And then the gallery system is 70% men. This fact makes the imbalance even more egregious. It’s not as if there are fewer women wanting to be in the art world — there are more, if we take grad school as a bellwether. So, this means that men are being exponentially taken more often than women for representation in galleries.

When I approached gallerists and asked them directly about their numbers, they would say things like, “Well, I’m not interested in filling quotas,” and this harkens back to the language of the opponents of affirmative action. But what is ignored in this statement is that for centuries, the quotas of men have been overfilled. Maybe it IS necessary to make a conscious effort to include more women and people of color. So, I am not opposed to “filling quotas.” Galleries need to try harder — they need to look harder. There are a LOT of women artists, artists of color, and LGBTQ artists. It’s not like the galleries don’t have options. I think we need to think more consciously about who is getting opportunities and whose perspectives are being supported and promoted and how and why — because the mechanisms for promotion in the art world privilege males. So for a little while, it will be necessary to impose artificial structures by which more women and artists of color are consciously included in the system — because up until now, they have been excluded (consciously or not). ‘Quotas’ might be necessary in order to ‘retrain’ the minds of gallerists and curators. (I think of this as a contemporary version of the idea of consciousness raising that comes form the women of second-wave feminism and of Andrea Bowers’s notions of radical empathy, radical hospitality, and radical patience).

The implication is that to impose ‘quotas’ is somehow unnatural and that it would mean interrupting an allegedly natural system by which artists are inducted into the gallery system. But this system is not natural in the least, and has been constructed around patriarchal biases from the beginning. If we consider the history of the LA gallery scene, many people know of the Cool School (thanks to the movie), but far fewer are aware of the important groundbreaking work by Eugenia Butler, Claire Copley, Riko Mizuno, or Viriginia Dwan, for example.

Cara Despain’s poster representing the TOTAL percentage of female artists from the galleries tallied in LA and NY

Cara Despain’s poster representing the TOTAL percentage of female artists from the galleries tallied in LA and NY

JS: In your , you mention that you think part of the gender gap is related to the art world’s capitalist-heavy structure. Can you draw that out a bit for me?

MH: In short, capitalism is a patriarchal system, and its effects are complex and pervasive: women are still paid less than men (on average 70 cents to the dollar); women consistently start salaries at rates lower than men and are given fewer and smaller bonuses in the workplace; women are historicized and recognized less frequently than men (how many national holidays do we have for women? how many bronze monuments have you seen of women? how many inventions by women can you name?); women are absent from positions of leadership (look at the Fortune 500 companies — how many are owned/led by women?).

There are many ways in which the gallery world is driven by capitalism, and in turn many ways that capitalism affects the way women engage with the art world. Art by women — even the most successful women — sells for far less than art made by men. Out of 50 artists listed on Artrank, which tracks artists in the market, only TWO are women. That’s 4%. So, 96% of the artists that sites like this are looking at are male.

Ken Ehrlich's poster for David Zwirner gallery

Ken Ehrlich’s poster for David Zwirner gallery

I think we can also consider the trend in mega-galleries, like Gagosian or Blum and Poe. These galleries have a large amount of square footage to fill. It takes a certain kind of artistic practice to be able to produce a body of work for such spaces. Often it requires that the artist have numerous assistants, a huge studio space (or several), and substantial overhead costs. (Incidentally, this structure mirrors the model of the Renaissance artist’s studio, in which numerous assistants made the work, and one artist received the credit.) Paul McCarthy’s studio employ some 200 artists; Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst are similar. It’s a patriarchal structure. Can you think of any women who have that kind of studio practice?

This is about returning to essentialism, in a way. I believe that our biological and social identities each play a part in how we experience the world, how we decide to make art, and how we perceive the art that we see. I believe that living as a female human is at times significantly different than living as a male human, and that I am treated — and I behave — in ways that are affected by my biology. When I go to museums or galleries, I look to them as indicators of the way that our culture processes and reflects ideas, theories, experiences, and emotions. If I consistently have to try to ‘put myself in a man’s shoes’ in order to ‘relate’ to a work of art, it begins to create an identity crisis of sorts. I am constantly being told by history, the market, and art world trends that to be successful, I have to be like someone else, namely, a male.

I think that if the galleries were 50/50 men and women, and if there were a proportionate number of artists of color as there are in the world, we would have some groundbreaking revelations about what it is like to live in our world today. This project is about encouraging empathy and compassion and community, and having curiosity and interest in the experiences of our fellow humans. I know that sounds a bit ‘hippie,’ but I am totally sincere. I’m not saying that women are better, just equal — and if we were more exposed to diverse perspectives, I truly believe that it would change things. I think we might have more artwork that is collaborative, for one thing! I think we may learn to be more compassionate and caring.

Katie Herzog's poster for Marlborough Chelsea gallery

Katie Herzog’s poster for Marlborough Chelsea gallery

JS: Why did you decide to have this project be a big collaborative one rather than just do it yourself (or at least invite specific people, rather than open it up so broadly)?

MH: The project models a feminist strategy and philosophy — collaboration is an inclusive and horizontal structure, not a hierarchical, vertical, exclusive one. It’s also anti-capitalist. It is important that there are many voices speaking out about inequity, and not just me, and that there are voices coming from all over the world (we have nine countries involved now). As a collaborative project that is still actually only in its infancy (the project started inadvertently in October 2013), there are now over 600 people involved. I think 600 people saying “Hey, look at this” is more powerful than one person saying it, don’t you?

The popularity of the project speaks for itself. The project has been self-defining and self-populating. From the beginning, people have simply volunteered and signed up, because it’s an issue that they care about. And yes, we have men too. The ratio of males to females who are making posters is about 30% males and 70% females (which, very coincidentally, inverts the ratio of males and females represented in the gallery world). I am also proud to say that there are participants who range in age from eight years old to artists in their 70s. I’m still waiting for octogenarians and nonogenarians to join up!

My work is often collaborative and crowd-sourced. I am interested in community and collectivity, and the voices and messages that result when there is a community-wide conversation.

JS: Do you have any plans to count anything else in the future, either different categories (e.g. artists of color) or different institutions?

MH: Oh, yes! And the additional tallying has already begun. I think tallying artists of color is the next important data set to look at — though, as you can imagine, it’s much harder and takes longer to confirm those stats.

We’d also like to track numbers of male, female, and LBGTQ:

  • MFA students
  • Collectors
  • Gallery directors
  • Curators
  • Arts writers
  • Sales at auctions

We’d like to tally the numbers of:

  • Articles written about female versus male artists
  • Reviews of male and female shows
  • Monographs published about male versus female artists
  • Solo exhibitions at top museums

I would also love to tally the prices and overall amount of sales of art by male versus female artists in galleries, but due to the secretive, unregulated structure of art world sales, I will never be able to get that information.

Kate Vida's posted for Andrew Kreps Gallery (click to enlarge)

Katie Vida’s poster for Andrew Kreps Gallery (click to enlarge)

JS: Have you received responses from any of the galleries whose rosters you’ve tallied?

MH: I have received lot of responses. I recently visited Culver City galleries with my students, and nearly every one of the galleries greeted us with either an apology, an explanation, or an excuse. And the galleries that had balanced rosters were very proud of it and said so!

In December of 2013 I went to Miami and talked to gallerists at Art Basel, Nada, and Untitled [art fairs]. I interviewed a little over 200 gallerists, and the responses were really interesting. I approached them saying, “Hello. My name is Micol, and I am an artist. I am doing research on gender in the art world, and I wondered if you have a minute to talk to me?” I then asked them how many male and female artists they represented, and how many male and female artists were on display in their booths. Many gallerists didn’t know their numbers. Some knew immediately that their ratios were imbalanced. Some thought they had good representation of women artists, but when we counted (together), it turned out that they actually had less than 30% women on their roster. Here is a sample of some of the comments (actual quotes) that I received:

  • Well, I don’t think about gender in the gallery.
  • We don’t have that many women artists, but we do have a gay artist — does that count?
  • We don’t have that many women artists, but our most important artist is a woman.
  • Women do not have the same drive or passion for their art as men do — they are not willing to die for their passions.
  • Women are not as prominent in the art world because they become mothers.
  • Women don’t market themselves as well as men do.

(en)Gendered (in)Equity: The Gallery Tally Poster Project opens at For Your Art (6020 Wilshire Blvd, Los Angeles) this Saturday, March 29, 6–9 pm.

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  • Edward Shott

    How many Contemporary Nazi painters or sculptors are being shown in NYC galeries?

  • Paul S HK

    What does the idea ‘women are not better but they are equal’ mean?
    Is is qualitative, quantitative, moral?
    Why should an art gallery equalise across any of those categories of human being?
    Is it really the function of all galleries to reflect demographics?
    What demographics?
    Local? Continental? Global?
    Can we specialise? Are we allowed to focus?
    If the aim is to testify to social realities not “paternalistic capitalist constructs’, why just consider the artist?
    Why not the subject, the art work itself?
    Galleries specialising in landscape distort social reality. As do Lowry, Bacon, Louise Bourgeois, Fiona Hall… And Bridget Riley ignores it altogether, subject-wise.
    And then what price artistic freedom and diversity….
    I think this debate needs a little deeper thought than just looking at raw numbers… Lies, damned lies and statistics, anyone?

  • Paul S HK

    I do like the posters though…
    Slightly different angle.
    If we’re talking inequality, what do we do about all those pesky and disproportionately represented male gay guys… Bacon, Hockney, Michaelangelo, Leonardo, Basquiat, Clemente, Khakhar, Vaughan, Li Shan, Mapplethorpe…
    It is a mistake for an artist to mix up art and anthropology, though it is quite permissible even worthwhile for artists and galleries to act politically and with an anthropological orientation.
    But unequal outcomes are the essence of art, else we would all be able to affect each other equally through our chosen means of artistic expression, which is not the case.
    In fact we could handle desire equal outcomes if we were committed to art, as that would imply uniformity which is the very opposite of creative reality. Else why create?

    • http://hragv.com/ Hrag Vartanian

      Have you done any research to figure out the proportion of gay male artists represented that you’re not sharing?

      • Paul S HK

        No, but the point was precisely that numbers are not the point.
        The point is what is produced, and how is it appreciated. Also why.
        I don’t deny the art market has been power and money dominated… Arguably also therefore given our history, capitalist-patriarchal… But gay minorities are not ipso fact too excluded or diminished in their stature, so why assume that women are excessively picked on?
        Perhaps we need more feminine-oriented criticism, but there are very distinguished women critics… Perhaps women artists have different concerns than those that appeal to monied capitalists. But why is that a surprise, if true? Why are gallery numbers the concern? If it’s money, then get commercial. If it’s social, then attack the social issues. But don’t assume unequal outcomes are automatically ‘bad’.
        You’ll note I also included an Indian and a Chinese artist in the list.
        It seems to me cross cultural shortcomings in the market are worse than male-female ones.

        • Skuja Braden

          Numbers are never the point if you are the one sitting in the dominant position.

          • Paul S HK

            True.
            But doesn’t answer the questions why/what next?
            And is a point that is power related. Political and anthropological.
            And in that relation still doesn’t answer the questions.
            Leonardo was just one artist. Why the power?
            All the effort, mental and moral and physical, going into this project… What should it lead to?
            Do we really desire that galleries should represent artists in exact numerical proportion to all the major anthropological differences globally?
            And if for convenience (but abdicating moral responsibility towards all other inequalities, perhaps as a practical matter, initially,) we just limit ourselves to numerical equality of the sexes, have we achieved anything other than straightjacketing ourselves according a notion of numbers? Within a pseudo scientific, pseudo rational grid.
            Data helps but surely we’re aiming for more than reflexively believing that simply inequality of numbers is the story.
            We’ve got the patriarchal-capitalist point. But even if I’m in the dominant position, it’s still legitimate to ask why/what?

          • Skuja Braden

            No one is talking exact numerical proportions be measured out or that an affirmative action in the arts be set into place. To begin to count is a bit scientific though if you ask me. The power structure is self perpetuating as long as no one checks the books. This sort of action can be seen as an audit on cultural construction…it is merely a beginning point. So far as I can tell the only negative responses to this project are coming from the people sitting in the priviledged positions. I have nothing to lose, this game is rigged and I have never been allowed to sit at the table….

          • Paul S HK

            I think that Micol was talking about exactly that (exact proportions and affirmative action – ‘retraining the mind…’).
            But I agree with you that counting is an essential part of an ‘audit’ to help all of us assess what might be going right and what wrong in the way things work.
            So I’m not against the project.
            I just think it is good to look ahead and see where it may lead us.
            And, as I’m based in a city where i am a cultural minority (2%), and as wars are caused by cross cultural, rather than male-female divisions, I am very keen to raise the point that there is no reason to stop at the question ”why are women underrepresented?’ – we should also be willing to ask why we are so blind to other cultures, and to try and put that right too.
            Perhaps surprisingly, Australia has been very effective in raising the profile of aboriginal artisits. But (a) that may be guilt/recognition of what had been done to dispossess the Aboriginal Australians; (b) a lot of the higher profile is highly commercialised. Some great women artists there, by the way!

        • Skuja Braden

          If you cannot get your work shown then who can appreciate it?

    • NV

      You have some non-gay artists in your list of gay artists, there…Clemente is not gay, although sometimes he wishes he was. And Basquiat had some ladies as well…I don’t know personally about the rest, but I can vouch for the aforementioned.

      • Paul S HK

        oops… sorry; ignorance or carelessness doesn’t help make a case, so i hope you still take the main point, that there are ‘disadvantaged’ groups that create great art, and the issue should be how to encourage that, rather than setting quotas.
        Perhaps it needs endowment of some special funds targeted at art reflecting ‘feminine’ issues or perspectives (is that easy to define, outside of feminist political and social issues?); though I’m not sure what Camille Paglia or Susan Sontag might have to say about it (I’m sure they had opinions, but I haven’t researched them…)

  • throughthesebrowneyes

    Howardina Pendell did this work, and updates it.

    Howardina Pendell has gone about the tedious and time
consuming job of collecting data regarding the discrimination against women and
 African American artists in museum and galleryexhibitions for well over a
decade, actually it may be two decades. For doing
    so she was both heralded and
 scorned.
    Howardena Pindell is a graduate of Boston University1965 and Yale University1967. She
worked at MoMa for 12 years where she moved from associate curator, to curator of
 Prints and illustrated Books. Currently she is a professor of art at Stony Brook
    University, and a celebrated artist in her own right.
    The book, “Exhibiting Blackness, African Americans and the American Art Museum “, by Bridget R. Cooks takes the issue of discrimination to the level of the exhibitions of African
    American art that have occurred and the politics of how the exhibitions were
    are manifested,not to mention the question of who, defines the various boundaries of the exhibitions.

  • Paul S HK

    I feel I may have neglected the point that to respond to historical injustice, one needs, first awareness, and secondly a platform.
    The numbers are a means of accessing awareness, and the posters of ensuring impact.
    But what is the platform for action?
    If I look at the artworks I have acquired a small number are by women.
    Tracey Moffat, Irene Zhou, Xing Dangwen, Elizabeth Frink, Fiona Hall, Yin Xuizhen, Nicola Hicks, Yoo Hyun-mi, Jane Edden, Lindy Lee, Nalini Malani, Miao Xiaotong, Barabara Hepworth, Joo Chun Lin, Fabienne Vedrier, Shen Xiaotong … And I see six from where i sit… About 40% visible by number…
    I think that is not too bad, even though their works are not the most valuable… Sometimes not very valuable at all, in money terms.
    But why did I not buy more? Should I have? I’m just one guy… It seems not in substance prejudiced against women artists…I can’t say I’ve ever thought, when buying, ‘but this is a female artist’… None of them seems to operate as a trope of the feminine… But should they… Did they want to? They weren’t being anthropologists, after all…
    In this context, what is the platform for action?
    Reform me? Reform the galleries? Reform the artists? All of the above? How?
    The incapacity to do so destroys that approach. Knowing of the inequality of outcomes,

  • Paul S HK

    Knowing that inequality, what next? What action?
    Perhaps more women with money, if sales are the concern…Not a very ‘anti-system’ perspective…
    Why is an unequal financial or numerical outcome a negative, in a market?
    It’s a symptom…
    But the gay perspective on the arts shows minority status is not a killer in this sector of the economy, the culture, the human condition…
    A debate is supported by the data so treasured and mined by this project, but it really is only a first stage.
    What really are the issues, other than the observation that there is numerical inequality? Is that all we have to say??
    Does any of this change what art lovers love about art?

  • Mary L Bullock

    I’m a woman artist. I don’t think we should impose any quotas, but putting it out there may well create awareness and possibly promote change.

  • Skuja Braden

    The issue is about access. If you are denied access you are never in the game. The winners not only write the history but they create the culture and provide the choices available for future outcomes.

    • Paul S HK

      Better access… Yet there is access. The are sufficient numbers in art school. There are role models… Artists, critics…
      Why not more in galleries, or on walls?
      If it’s that men hold the purse strings and spend it on what they are told by male gallerists, curators and critics is ‘good’, then campaigning is a way to change hidden biases.
      But I’ve never heard someone in the bits of the art world I know focus on the ‘woman’ aspect of work, unless it’s a consciously feminist piece. I’ve scarcely ever heard the descriptor ‘feminine’…
      The sex of the artist has simply never been the issue for buyer or seller or critic.
      Is that a problem?
      Perhaps…
      So we have unconscious choices…
      Engendered by pictures of rather than by women, being the historical discourse, disempowering those women artists who follow on.
      But still people write on, collect, value, respect, cherish the work of many female artists…
      So, campaign, raise awareness, and let’s see.

  • Paul S HK

    I’m not sure what about this article as compelled me to write.
    Do I feel threatened? Or do I feel it has too many errors of fact and understanding to be a useful contribution, other than to get discussion going?
    It reads like a Maoist tract, or a disquisition from Dr Strangelove… “So for a little while, it will be necessary to impose artificial structures … to ‘retrain’ the minds of gallerists and curators …” . As to the Maoism, if it’s anti-capitalist, sort of fair enough, but do remember the cultural revolution…
    At the same time, the aim is to more honestly represent society, to enable the ‘female’ side of art… Which means what, anyway? How can I tell? … To realise itself … And to do this we want equal numbers in all galleries and women artists to sell at equal values to men…
    Well why not? Frink sells for more than Vaughan and Hepworth for more than Sutherland. But Koons for more than all. Why should English artists be disadvantaged and excluded from the riches of the US market? Or an Australian artist? But who would want a Koons, male or female! If you’ ex been conned enough by the system to spend like that, why not get out!

    • MH

      This is an interesting discussion, and I am delighted to see this conversation-a discussion of these issues and systems is exactly what I hoped for. With regard to your last point, Paul, you perhaps make my case best of all here….there is no question that women have been the subjects of art through the ages, but the acknowledgment and support of women artists and authors of their own representations – not so much. I am not intrigued, interested, nor encouraged by your staid proposal that I (or whoever) take these representations of women by men as role models. And, role models for what, exactly? Not one woman artist in your list of suggestions there…

      • Paul S HK

        I don’t say role models, if any here, are a substitute. I simply meant to say that one sees women as subjects. That of course can easily mean passive. So it’s not stated in opposition to your accurate assertion that there are strong dynamics against women artists.
        That said, I did mention previously women artists I have personally liked enough, as artists and where I have met them as people, to acquire works from or by….
        Tracey Moffat, Irene Zhou, Xing Dangwen, Elizabeth Frink, Fiona Hall, Yin Xuizhen, Nicola Hicks, Yoo Hyun-mi, Jane Edden, Lindy Lee, Nalini Malani, Miao Xiaotong, Barabara Hepworth, Joo Chun Lin, Fabienne Vedrier, Shen Xiaotong …
        They had access, albeit they, many of them, would agree it is not as easy as for a man…

  • http://www.SETI.Net James_Brown

    OK – I’m convinced. Woman are under represented in the arts. The question is why?
    If we live in a meritocracy, which I think we do, then what causes the mix to be so one sided?
    Would we get the same answer if we polled musicians, Poets, Computer programmers,CEO’s,scientists,etc. I think we would.

    Could it be more than simple ‘art-world bias’ and at base could it also explain the 70 cents on the dollar problem?

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